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924   11 February 2004   

Naether's Letter
from Llanelli

I love receiving your letters, triggered by this website - they bring alive the many different lives reflected in the readership of this richest of media.  You will, like me, be moved and impressed with this letter from Robert Naether of Llanelli, home of the mighty Scarlets. 

He has a very distinctive story to tell..

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Dear Mr. Evans,

It's obvious to all that you are a well-educated and very bright person who has Labour written right through him.  I am a disabled man with no education - and not very bright, according to my teachers - and I bet you’re already saying to yourself “Another disabled?  More than likely a waste of time”.  My disability was caused when I fell from an oil tank at Milford Haven - it was an accident caused by neglect.

They say I am lucky to be alive, I say it's unlucky and I should have died - but that's not the point.  You are much more articulate with your writing and have, by the look of it, worked within politics.

I was born in Cardiff to a father who had been a German fighter pilot, so my life was very difficult for the first six years of my schooling.  I was hit and beaten by a head-teacher who lost his son during the war – I was an easy target.  Anyway, that's my life.   Except that I now live in Llanelli, almost completely disabled and spending most of my day reading from the Internet - I've read your web-pages for some time.

I was at first a complete supporter of the Welsh Assembly, but I have become alarmed at the way in which funding has been spent on Cardiff and Cardiff Bay - the cost of the new Assembly building, for example, and the waste of money involved.   It was wrong to pay nearly £1,000,000 to buy land merely because it might block the view of the new building, while Council housing has become so seriously dilapidated that it’s becoming dangerous.   I have seen houses which have been left with needles and syringes lying on the floor, for the new tenant to clean up the mess.

My biggest worry is Mr. Blair himself.
  When he removes the “old brigade” from the House of Lords (which I totally agree with) who will he put in their place?  The spin-doctor Mr. Campbell will no doubt get a seat - and so will all others who agree with Mr. Blair's style of politics.  My worry is that Mr. Blair will turn the Upper House into a second “New Labour” group - which he will control.   I hate seeing people sitting in the House of Lords and being paid a large amount of money, but if they do the job right it should be a control over the sillier ideas of the Party.   It should work as a safeguard.

I did not agree with Mr. Scargill, when he took the miners out on strike without having a ballot, all because he wanted power: he played right into Thatcher's hands, and she was a powerful leader who knew she would win. I remember the people who went out on the picket-lines, to be seen supporting the miners, when in fact they should have been demanding a full ballot.  Prescott came down to the picket-lines and gave a speech about the rights of the working class - Kinnock was a complete loss, he did not know if he should fight or support.
 
My disability has not allowed me to make a life for myself.  In the past, we have struggled to live - and to be honest my life has become a burden (at least, that's what Mr. Blair's people believe).  I have had phone calls telling me it is my duty as a Labour Party member to seek employment. Nobody has asked if I am  physically capable of working -  just that it's my duty.

This is my conclusion.  I would vote NO against getting rid of the Upper House altogether.   And I would change my mind and vote NO for the Assembly.

Robert Naether


Robert

You have had to face far more injustice in your life, both of malice and of circumstance, than most of us can ever imagine - and yet you are clearly still taking an active interest in the entire world about you, and picking your way through its mazes.  I congratulate you on that - and I understand your reaction to Tony Blair. which I share in part.  

But I do believe in the abolition of the House of Lords, or its replacement by a revising chamber drawn from MPs elected along with the Commons and of parallel status.  I am totally discontent with the present compromise.  And I remain convinced that devolved Assembly Government is right - both for Wales and all the provinces of the UK.  But that does not mean I am starry-eyed about the Assembly - I recognise its faults, and that its development has a long way still to go...  On the £1m site purchase: I fancy that, once they have sorted out the specific matching design of the neighbouring building, the Assembly will re-sell the site - and make a profit on the deal!

Best wishes 
Roger WE

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925  12 February  2004  

Extraterritorial,
not extraterrestrial

Our increasingly integrated globe is raising new questions of extraterritoriality all the time.  That is where a "national" law is enforced in respect of actions occurring outside the territory of that nation-state.  And such situations are particularly difficult for English  and continental European lawyers and politicians to handle.  For English law, unlike American law, has consistently resisted doctrines of extraterritoriality, and certainly avoided creating such jurisdictions.  But circumstances are changing.

Let me come clean.  I have been trained within the four-corners of European law.  And that means that I have been trained to think of “law” as consisting of a series of nation-state rules, each applying strictly to the physical territorial jurisdiction of that state.  When Radio Caroline broadcast to the UK in the Swinging Sixties, it was because the transmitters were on a boat moored just outside the UK’s 12-mile territorial limited, off Southend.  At 11-miles out, the broadcasting would have been “illegal”: at 15-miles out, it was not.  And most Continental lawyers are in the same tradition, with minor exceptions.  A more recent example (which causes me difficulty, given my education) is the new plan for the State of Austria to build an "Austrian prison" in Romania, to which Romanians who have committed crimes in Austria can be sent.  That may be difficult for me to reason, but it is happening - right now.

Americans - US lawyers and politicians alike - have never thought in strictly territorial those terms.  It is common for them to acknowledge “extraterritorial jurisdiction”.  It is common for the US Congress to pass laws which “apply to all Americans”, wherever they are abroad – that has caused consternation, for example, in the City of London, where many Americans assemble to do business, only to find themselves subject to both UK and US law. 

The explanation lies in the 18th century shift of political convention - from territoriality to nationality in the definition of “states”.  That shift towards principles of “nationality” remains, even though 200-years old, one of the most destructive influences in the modern world – the consequences of the French Revolution (following Mao Tse Tung) are indeed still working through – and it is still “too early to say” what the final outcome will be.  That distinction still poisons our citizenship laws, inhibits the development of rational migration policies, and fosters racism and xenophobia.  The awful mistakes of the right-wing French Parlement this week are attributable to the abiding faultlines in the jurisprudence of the French Revolution. 

And yet, we must face facts. The Austrian prison is now being built, in Romania.  As we come to perceive the problems of "the world" as interconnected, integral, that older set of conventions is bound to weaken.  It is clear that the world is moving towards the acceptance of “extraterritorial jurisdictions” of the US kind - quite apart from the limited "jurisdiction" of the United Nations.  I am uncomfortable with that, but I see no political alternative: we must learn to “manage” these new forms of intervention so that they do no prove oppressive to the people. 

In the UK, the first such example was the law permitting the prosecution in the UK of UK Citizens accused of paedophile sex crimes in Thailand.  Previously, the UK Courts had stuck to the principle that such crimes could be prosecuted only in Thailand – but popular opinion persuaded Parliament to abandon that traditional rule.  Drug-running, gun-dealing piracy, smuggling, money-laundering, and tax evasion all seem to require that national forces should be able to intervene outside their own territory to interdict certain criminal acts.  Other positive concerns – with environmental quality, GM proliferation, nuclear pollution – these all raise similar questions.  Not everything can be done by a gentlemanly phone-call between Scotland Yard and Interpol. 

For me, this is one of the great systemic challenges of the 21st century.  How to we govern the spaces between our states?   These are where the most infamous and ruthless criminal gangs already operate, installed well before the Sheriff arrives, and ready to gun him down.  The management of extraterritorial intervention (of which the Iraq invasion should be seen simply as one example..) will rise up the political agenda, as the century progresses.

What do you think?  Do you have any examples of extraterritoriality? Drop me a line

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